TV shows of celebrities driving around in cars and making quasi-candid conversation seems to be the new thing. Jerry Seinfeld’s newest show “Comedians In Cars Getting Coffee” has given digital broadcaster Crackle a huge boost, and now drag queen and ’90s icon RuPaul is getting in on the act with “RuPaul Drives,” produced by World of Wonder.

In a recent episode, RuPaul takes former Black Flag front man Henry Rollins for a ride, and the two discuss that they both have struggled in their lives with relationships. Rollins sounds defeatist as he says he lacks the “maturity, strength of character, and moral courage” to commit to a romantic relationship, while RuPaul gives optimistic, RuPaulian advice, such as “Stay vulnerable. Allow people to see those icky bits.” Watch below.

(via Bust)